While was Joe was in New Zealand He interviewed Dr. James White. James is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. He is the author of more than twenty books, a professor, an accomplished debater, and an elder of the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church.

Before the interview starts Jimmy and Joe talk about the value of bow ties, and afterward they suggest that Dr. White is really a cyborg. During the interview Joe talks to James about apologetics, what James does and does not debate, and why he believes that the doctrine of Scripture is the most critical doctrine in maintaining orthodoxy. Plus, James pulls a "Jimmy" and plays with with phone during the interview.

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